"which is not at all supported by credible evidence"
I heartedly disagree with this. More evidence oozes out every day. I didn't start out with this position. I have not been against the war from the beginning. I was one of those idiot who got suckered in by Bush. (I had a passenger crack me up by noting that she felt more betrayed by Bush than by any man she'd never slept with.) I could not believe, until credible evidence emerged, that he would really lie about a thing like that. But he did. And now we're stuck with this hideously mismanaged war.
"I think that kind of attitude is really corrosive"
I agree with you for the most part. It took a long time to bring me to this point. What get me more than any given example is that there is a broad pattern of bad behaviors. This many years down the road, there's no acceptable excuse for not noticing how far one has drifted off course. Yet the same sort of crap still keeps happening. Over and over, there is no limit to their shame or hubris. I was really struck by a story I heard on MPR about a soldier who was fighting his deployment orders on the grounds that Bush had lied and caused him to enlist under what could now be proved to be false circumstances. I feel for the guy. I think he's right. I wonder what happened to him. I believe that this administration demonstrably continues to place the profits of their cronies in higher regard than the health and safety of the citizens. I'm still spilling over from the Katrina pump failures that turned out to be just another case of this. Scream. It is evil. And I'm concerned about things West Point going religious right (see: http://www.commonwonders.com/) The Supreme Court abortion decision that doesn't include an exception for saving the life of the mother. And the crusade for denying civil rights to gays. All these things rise to the level of actual evil. However, if it's any consolation, I don't use such terms with strangers in political discussions. In my view, I'm at home among friends in lj.
I am indeed interested in the bookmarks you offer. I'm a great one for trying to consider everyone's opinion. I feel like your position is calling for a huge data slam post citing a myriad of sources, but I don't have the time. It's a good idea, though, I'll think about that. Although, we certainly don't have to argue the point if you'd rather not.
"a place you don't normally see"
Here again, it depends on how you mean that. If you mean in lj you are certainly correct. It does remind me of a type that was very common in the Nixon years. The gallant old soldier who just can't believe that his CinC has feet of clay. Refuses to actually. It simply couldn't be true, lies all lies, just political spin. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some of those gents still believed that Nixon was framed. Well, as Martin, says: It isn't a matter of proof, there's plenty of proof, it's a matter of getting people to believe it.
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I heartedly disagree with this. More evidence oozes out every day. I didn't start out with this position. I have not been against the war from the beginning. I was one of those idiot who got suckered in by Bush. (I had a passenger crack me up by noting that she felt more betrayed by Bush than by any man she'd never slept with.) I could not believe, until credible evidence emerged, that he would really lie about a thing like that. But he did. And now we're stuck with this hideously mismanaged war.
"I think that kind of attitude is really corrosive"
I agree with you for the most part. It took a long time to bring me to this point. What get me more than any given example is that there is a broad pattern of bad behaviors. This many years down the road, there's no acceptable excuse for not noticing how far one has drifted off course. Yet the same sort of crap still keeps happening. Over and over, there is no limit to their shame or hubris. I was really struck by a story I heard on MPR about a soldier who was fighting his deployment orders on the grounds that Bush had lied and caused him to enlist under what could now be proved to be false circumstances. I feel for the guy. I think he's right. I wonder what happened to him. I believe that this administration demonstrably continues to place the profits of their cronies in higher regard than the health and safety of the citizens. I'm still spilling over from the Katrina pump failures that turned out to be just another case of this. Scream. It is evil. And I'm concerned about things West Point going religious right (see: http://www.commonwonders.com/) The Supreme Court abortion decision that doesn't include an exception for saving the life of the mother. And the crusade for denying civil rights to gays. All these things rise to the level of actual evil. However, if it's any consolation, I don't use such terms with strangers in political discussions. In my view, I'm at home among friends in lj.
I am indeed interested in the bookmarks you offer. I'm a great one for trying to consider everyone's opinion. I feel like your position is calling for a huge data slam post citing a myriad of sources, but I don't have the time. It's a good idea, though, I'll think about that. Although, we certainly don't have to argue the point if you'd rather not.
"a place you don't normally see"
Here again, it depends on how you mean that. If you mean in lj you are certainly correct. It does remind me of a type that was very common in the Nixon years. The gallant old soldier who just can't believe that his CinC has feet of clay. Refuses to actually. It simply couldn't be true, lies all lies, just political spin. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some of those gents still believed that Nixon was framed. Well, as Martin, says: It isn't a matter of proof, there's plenty of proof, it's a matter of getting people to believe it.